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1    251.00    Dawson, Todd    Garner    North Carolina    United States    Bear Wallow Weigh-off    291 Kent    Open    209.0    202.00    24.0
2    228.50    Mudd, Frank    Flaherty    Kentucky    United States    Bear Wallow Weigh-off    178.5 Mudd    239 Leonard    196.0    169.00    35.0
3    228.00    Dawson, Todd    Garner    North Carolina    United States    Bear Wallow Weigh-off    285 Edwards    Open    202.0    183.00    25.0
4    209.75    Holloway, Jake    Bowden    Georgia    United States    Old Washington Farmers Market Watermelon Weigh-off    291 Kent (current WR holder)    268 Bright (2005 WR)    0.0    0.00    0.0
5    206.00    Cantrell, David    Corryton    Tennessee    United States    Bear Wallow Weigh-off    113 Kent 09    191 Carson 91    189.0    153.00    35.0
6    203.50    Kent, Janet    Sevierville    Tennessee    United States    Bear Wallow Weigh-off    260Kent    230Kent    193.0    161.00    26.0
7    195.00    Brinkley, Bill    Russellville    Kentucky    United States    Bear Wallow Weigh-off    291 Kent    Open    184.0    141.00    38.0
8    192.50    James, Victor    Mt. Vernon    Kentucky    United States    Bear Wallow Weigh-off    291 Kent    291 Kent    184.0    141.00    37.0
9    181.75    Lloyd, Bright    Hope    Arkansas    United States    Old Washington Farmers Market Watermelon Weigh-off    211 Westfall    open    0.0    0.00    0.0
10    179.50    Masterson, Dennis    Knoxville    Tennessee    United States    Bear Wallow Weigh-off    255 Mitchell    Open    181.0    135.00    33.0
11    178.00    Brinkley, Bill    Russellville    Kentucky    United States    Bear Wallow Weigh-off    291 Kent    Open    178.0    130.00    37.

9/19/2011 9:56:20 PM

formerly RGG

I know this is going to change a LOT. Guess I wanted to post this while I am still in the top 10.

9/19/2011 9:57:49 PM

Muddy Waters

Why is Todd entered twice?

9/19/2011 9:59:06 PM

formerly RGG

Todd's second melon won't count. That's why I listed the first 11.

9/19/2011 10:01:17 PM

formerly RGG

They MUST be using the wrong chart. All melons are going very heavy.

9/19/2011 10:02:33 PM

Muddy Waters

why list if it dont count?

9/19/2011 10:03:47 PM

formerly RGG

I was lazy Mark. This list was copied from the GPC weigh off results page.

9/19/2011 10:06:12 PM

Muddy Waters

I wouldnt list if it dont count only causes confusion,Jake is 3rd.

9/19/2011 10:08:11 PM

sevierville, Tn

The GPC uses the pumpkin chart, thats why they are so % heavy.

9/19/2011 10:08:44 PM

formerly RGG

Excellent Mark, I will wait on you to redo the list. Or I will let you post the next one. Not my job anyway. I think Todd is outstandingly honest for not attributing the growing of his second melon to someone else in his household.

9/19/2011 10:11:38 PM

formerly RGG

Chris, is there any way we can convince them to use the correct chart ? Mark, if you redo the results, will you please compare actual weight to watermelon chart weight. The OTT inches is listed correctly. It's only that the total pounds is looked up on the pumpkin chart.

9/19/2011 10:15:31 PM

formerly RGG

Mark, I think Jake knows he is third.

9/19/2011 10:17:18 PM

sevierville, Tn

I doubt we can this year, maybe next year. We will see.

9/19/2011 10:23:35 PM

formerly RGG

Thanks Chris.

9/19/2011 10:24:02 PM

sevierville, Tn

BTW, the above chart will all change over the next 2 weeks, so don't get stuck on the results as of right now.

9/19/2011 10:24:50 PM

Muddy Waters

I believe he is the only member in his household,I hope were all honest people in Club!I only have 1 membership for my household.Most of these wont stand as growers will bring bigger melons to latter weigh-offs.

9/19/2011 10:25:39 PM

formerly RGG

Chris, I don't think anyone on here is clueless enough to think this is the final results. Todd has family members Mark. Well, my melons won't be big enough to win anything but my daughter did help with the patch and the growing of her melon so I am not trying to pull anything on you and other members Mark.

9/19/2011 10:45:16 PM

Muddy Waters

I didnt think you were TD!

9/19/2011 11:15:45 PM

formerly RGG

Thank you Mark. :-)

9/20/2011 12:03:19 AM

Garner, NC

Anyody else notice that 7 of the top 11 melons were grown from Kent seeds.

9/20/2011 9:58:34 AM

virginia

Todd, what was the Grith on your 251???? You right 291 looks like a great seed,,,,,,greg

9/20/2011 10:25:25 AM

Garner, NC

Girth was 63" but it tapered pretty bad towards the blossum end.

9/20/2011 11:09:14 AM

virginia

Thanks Todd. Still rite good size melon,,,,greg

9/20/2011 7:48:30 PM

formerly RGG

Todd's melon was also long. I think about 42" or so.

9/20/2011 9:00:07 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

TD, We discussed this the nite after BWF weighoff...sorta thinkin that GPC results shows awl weights using true OTT's , but using pkn chart? Is this why weight's & plus/minus are skewed, so much heavy? Also thinkin that Todd deserves massive kudo's for haulin 2 Slunger Melons to BWF!!!! Peace, Wayne

9/21/2011 1:10:34 AM

formerly RGG

Wayne, we are hoping this will be brought to their attention and that the watermelon OTT chart will be used starting next year. Of course the webmaster could go back and change the OTT scores for this year; but, I think that is unlikely. It just looks like everyone is growing melons that are very chart heavy. There is no harm. It is just unrealistic.

9/21/2011 11:00:57 AM

sevierville, Tn

They said next year for the melon chart

9/21/2011 2:58:14 PM

formerly RGG

Wayne,I am thinking Todd may have an even bigger one for Elkin or Allardt.We'll know soon.I think it's great to see growers making the long trips to compete with their melons.It gives us a chance to know them better and to talk melon growing with them.

9/21/2011 6:08:30 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

any one know the link to OTT chart for Melons!!! Might help a bit at the upcoming weighoff's!!! Peace, Wayne

9/21/2011 11:09:57 PM

Corryton, TN

Here you go.
http://greatpumpkincommonwealth.com/PDF/watermelon_table.pdf

9/22/2011 6:37:25 AM

Owensboro, Ky.

Once, again ...curious...gpc did the conversions from ott to #'s, using Dill's Atlantic Giant chart...and link to Carolina Cross melon conversion chart is at gpc.com pdf file. Why would it take till next year to switch from Dill's Atlantic Giant chart to CC Melon chart? & before I completely dig a whole/Hole for myself, I want everyone to know I am sorta computer Dumb, but couldn't a puter switch awl the ott's over from the ag chart to the cc chart? Peace, Wayne

9/22/2011 5:20:47 PM

formerly RGG

I believe the webmaster would have to make the corrections. My thought is he probably doesn't want to make the effort.

9/22/2011 6:15:34 PM

sevierville, Tn

dennis, i asked & Andy Wolf replied quote "That's the plan. We need the actual formula like we have for pumpkins, but we were thinking about using the data from the last couple years of GPC melons to create it from scratch for next year. We're in Ken's busy season now, so this project is high on my priority list for the winter."

9/22/2011 8:05:52 PM

Muddy Waters

Be Patient Grasshopper!Good things take time.

9/23/2011 7:44:58 PM

formerly RGG

Excellent Chris. It is what it is and we will all just have to be patient.I can be about as patient as they come when I set my mind to it Mark.But winning the lottery is a good thing and they draw those balls in just a few short seconds. lol

9/23/2011 10:15:01 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Patient, I shall be....but still confused a bit? What does Ken being busy have to do w/results posted on GPC? Let me back up a step, and say that I do realize that this is EXTREME BUSY time for GPC, so I do understand, sorta? LOL Thanks, Yoda!!!
PS...Chris, so to come out w/ correct results, they need the formula, not just the chart!!!? Starting to understand, a lil better!!! Thanks!!!

9/24/2011 2:32:41 AM

Muddy Waters

I dont understand the process either Wayne!Im really not trying to though,I dont think its that big of a deal its not affecting our standings,we all have enough intellect to override it for now.No BIG Deal!Most melons dont have stats on GPC results,My weigh-off today is paying 50 bucks.This is Big Pumpkins.com & it is GIANT PUMPKIN COMMONWEALTH.ITS not 3 Guys & the Melon Sisters Club.LOL! I think thats a bar in Detroit.Point made? GO PUMPKIN FEVER!

9/24/2011 6:08:30 AM

formerly RGG

I think I can answer. First of all, the GPC seems determined to develop their own chart.This will involve a lot of work. They seem to have a problem with the existing one. And secondly they don't want to take the time to go back and change the results that have already been recorded this year. And if they used the current chart without changing what has already been recorded; it would look as though the early growers all had heavy melons and the later growers grew several light melons.That might be construed as unfair. I think all of us watermelon growers need to ignore anything about the chart on the GPC site. However the GWG could post the results on the GWG web site with the use of the correct chart. So lets see if Chris and Marvin and Bill and Mark are any more motivated to provide us with correct information than the GPC is. How about it guys? Is this asking too much? If this doesn't get done, then any individual who is curious can personally convert the results at home to satisfy their curiosity. It is no BFD to me. Weight is what is important. And even weight isn't important in seed selection. It's genetics that are important.Consider all the growers of the 35 Kent this year.I wish I had planted it.

9/24/2011 9:10:14 AM

formerly RGG

The really easy way for the GWG officers to approach this would be to post chart corrected results at the end of the season. Heck,if you want,I will personally do this after the last weigh off and post it on a thread on this forum.I think I can find the time since I'm currently not working a regular job.

9/24/2011 9:14:44 AM

formerly RGG

Remember Mark, we have our own web site & we do not have to accept faulty information.We could fairly easily post the correct information on the GWG web site. Isn't that one reason we have our own web site.Don't we have an obligation to provide our members with accurate information? I see nothing on our site that is new. Why couldn't we even start our own chat site or our own growers forum? I am not sure how much trouble that would be. But it might be nice to separate ourselves from the pumpkin growers a little bit more.

9/24/2011 9:23:15 AM

Southeast Texas

282 dawson...dammitt...thats a goodun

9/24/2011 4:45:57 PM

formerly RGG

Wow, just wow. BIG congratulations Todd.282 pounds is amazing. That is the second biggest undamaged melon ever grown. What was the seed and the cross? I think Chris & Ms Janet have some very serious competition. I don't think anyone will top that this year;just my personal opinion. You have to agree that you are indeed a "heavy hitter" now Todd.

9/24/2011 5:27:23 PM

Muddy Waters

The OTT deal dont mean Dang Ditilly to me.If you want the job its yours ask Chris , Bill & Marvin!

9/24/2011 5:37:59 PM

formerly RGG

Why would I want all the criticism and no pay? Keep your Dang Ditilly job Mark.I was only trying to address the issue with my thoughts on the matter after Wayne brought it up again. lol

9/24/2011 5:53:27 PM

formerly RGG

And besides, I have too big a mouth. No way those guys would want me. lol Also, I'm not a heavy hitter like you guys are. Hang in there Mark, you are doing a fine job.

9/24/2011 8:07:20 PM

Muddy Waters

Im sorry TD! I thought you wanted the Job!Im not concerned with OTT stats!Just raising prize money & having fun.If you expect me to spend hours on OTT stats your in for a big surprise.It wont be happening!!Sorry!Im BUSY BUSY BUSY!!!

9/24/2011 8:09:29 PM

Muddy Waters

Thanks TD! Lets leave things alone for now,we will have all winter to tackle these issues!Im busy feeding PBJs to Catain Marvel!

9/24/2011 8:14:45 PM

formerly RGG

Now I know your secret Mark.What flavor of jelly does the Captain like? lol

9/24/2011 8:19:40 PM

sevierville, Tn

Dennis, put the data together and send it to me at seasons end, we will post it & give you credit for it. Thanks for the offer

9/24/2011 10:46:04 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

TD, just a hint...and seriously not meaning to stir the pot!!! But one of the HH Melon growers in KY. had us use the old melon chart at BWF!!! Said he thought it was more accurate!!!! Food for thought!!!??? Peace, Wayne Grow em BIG!!!

9/24/2011 11:18:02 PM

formerly RGG

PW, that doesn't make sense to me. I just looked back at the BWF results and they look similar to results from other weigh offs. The lightest one I focused on was 18% heavy and one was 41% heavy. The chart is for the average melon and about 1/2 should go light.Hold on, I just looked at the recorded inches on the GPC list and compared the projected weight of the top 3 melons to the weight on the GWG watermelon inches chart.They are vastly different PW. The 251 Dawson was 209" for a chart weight of 252.5, BW est. was 202 lbs. The 228.5 Mudd was 196 OTT for a projected weight of 211.3 , & BW est was 169 lbs. The 228 Dawson's OTT was 202" for a OTT est of 230 lbs and BW listed est was 183 lbs. I know you are telling me what you heard PW but if that indeed happened then someone changed those figures back to the pumpkin chart OTT scores for consistency I would think.

9/25/2011 9:04:26 AM

sevierville, Tn

They(BWF) used the gpc ott numbers for the published results.

9/25/2011 9:50:38 AM

formerly RGG

Thanks for the confirmation Chris.

9/25/2011 10:37:05 AM

Kentucky

At each GPC weighoff someone has to enter all the information for each pumpkin, melon etc into a program called the "BPWeighoffManager". When the OTT measurements are entered into the program the estimated weight and %heavy/light is automatically calculated. The program uses the pumpkin chart that was wrote into the program, there is not an option to use the watermelon chart. This will probably be changed for next year. When I entered the data for BWF we knew the %heavy would be wrong but we did want the total OTT for each melon to be shown on the GPC site. We had a copy of the "Elkins" chart at BWF and it was pretty close on most of the melons.

9/25/2011 4:53:04 PM

Muddy Waters

Thanks Hilltopper,that clears up a lot on confusion

9/25/2011 8:01:38 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

What I meant when I posted previously, was that using the "old", now known (I guess) as the "Elkins" melon chart...it brought all of the melons to the skales in an accending order...small to large...!!! Did not mean to say that the results of % heavy were accurate after GPC conversion!!! Sorry for any confusion & Thanks Bill!!! Peace, Wayne

9/27/2011 1:24:19 AM

Somerset,Ky

Thanks for your hard work Bill! We need theses numbers to take the next step in melons. Big and heavy to the chart.

Big John

9/27/2011 7:57:10 AM

Owensboro, Ky.

Bill, just might be the hardest working member of the KPM!!! Kudo's & Thanks!!! Peace, Wayne

9/27/2011 10:32:08 PM