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New England

As a newb I think it's cool that so many experienced punkin-heads offer seeds to beginners getting into the hobby. So having said that... whats up with companies like P&P, Holland's Land O Giants, Dill's Atlantic Giant, etc. selling seeds for up to $25 each to poor newbs who don't know where to go to get started? (OK, before all you hero-worshippers who think H. Dill is God start crying... I just threw that last one in there to get you all going...he's probably the only only that DESERVES to profit from AG seeds since they owe their existance to his years of developmental breeding way back when.)

11/4/2004 10:57:19 AM

Knopp, Germany

yomomma, i would help you, but i think you may have just opened a new can of worms.

welcome on board.

if you need seeds, email me.

11/4/2004 11:09:48 AM

Cologne / Germany

Welcome and Owen is right, just ask the growers here giving good seeds for the cost of postage.
I don´t think $15 or $25 is much for a special seed you might be looking for though. All seed dealers you mentioned are allowed to sell by permission of Howard Dill. Many 1000+ results from the seeds they sell - do you know what it might cost you to buy them at an auction...?

Every hobby just needs some sort of investment. Golf is expensive, boating is expensive, $25 for a first class seed to start with from an official dealer or Howard Dill himself is probably not. Just my humble opinion.

11/4/2004 11:57:36 AM

Www.extremepumpkinstore.com

yep, owen is right, I think ya gonna open up a big can of worms here.

11/4/2004 12:14:25 PM

Itzetown City

Worms are the gardeners friends. LOL
Floh, at an auction you don´t buy seeds, you bet a donation for the organisation in the high you think the seed will worth for you.
Some times you can get the same seed at the same time from the origin grower for nothing if you have a relationship with him.
I´m right?

11/4/2004 12:40:07 PM

New England

Didn't mean to start a controversy...just seems that some folks think it's OK to sell seeds at up to $25 a whack while others think it ain't (based on other threads I've read here at bp.com.) But if that's the price of admission...so be it.

11/4/2004 12:48:17 PM

Cologne / Germany

Werner remember you sometimes have a "minimum not met" at these auctions. So nothing goes under $200 or $300 for special seeds. Helping these organizations is a good thing for sure but for most of us that´s no pocket money. Imagine it won´t germinate...my family wouldn´t allow me to grow AG´s ever again :)
On the other hand it´s a good idea to join the grower organizations, you get a couple of good seeds along with your membership. Usually around $20 for the fee, right?

11/4/2004 1:36:15 PM

Waquoit Mass

we dont have enough time here to go back into ag history

11/4/2004 3:00:26 PM

The Real World

Having to pay for seeds is BS!!! Only an evil scumbag would try to line his pockets with some inexperienced newb's money by selling him seeds to get him started. As for auctions, they're primarily used to raise money for clubs, not for personal profit. Besides, most experienced growers can trade or find the seeds they really need without having to pay for them.

11/4/2004 3:05:38 PM

Massachusetts

Mr. F'nGenius is right! For Christ Sakes! What's next...an amateur pumpkin grower's division and a professional one???
I thought this hobby was about having fun and making some new friends around the country.

11/4/2004 3:10:02 PM

The Real World

Nobody WANTS to go back into AG history Hammer Head from Mass. Mr.F'nGenius lives in the here and now...and HERE and NOW sellin'seeds to newbs ain't cool. I might not have the biggest and best seed collection out there but any new grower who wants a few of whatever I have only needs to ask and send a SASBP. GROW FREE OR DIE!

11/4/2004 3:43:57 PM

Deer Park WA

I paid for my first AG seeds, and would have paid way more than Dill was asking if I had to. I believe if you want great seeds then pay for them or send a "donation" to the grower. To many people expect something for nothing and then point the finger and whine like a baby when some grower tells them NO. How many times have seeds been given away and then the requester trades them off for some bigger better deal? you know bartering/trading is a form of buying/selling. I will give seeds from average pumpkins away to newbies so they can learn, not our line bred genetics.

11/4/2004 4:09:08 PM

Massillon, Ohio

hmmmm only give away "average" seeds to newbies? i'm sure glad fred calai and jack larue and tom beachy and nic welty and those guys didnt just give away 'average' seeds to newbies or i wouldnt have had any decent seeds. i still remember jack sending us some seeds that he only had a very few of and said to nick and i: 'fight over it'..... thanks for having faith and not sending us "average" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11/4/2004 4:17:28 PM

Garden State Pumpkins

If your serious about growing go to Niagara....Online Auctons are fun and contributions to the club are gratefully accepted but that in no way means that's what the seed is worth....Having won a seed (or two) at auction I can see the benefit to the clubs but having gone to Niagara I also see the price/value comparisons fom the auction/lottery from there also...Sanctioned retailers from the dill's have sold seeds at very favorable prices...I believe boily got a few 845's from them for a song and a dance compared to auction prices...and as far as the Dill's prices for Newbies they are very reasonable...Now that all being said ...could you get some great genetics by sending a SASBP to a few growers here....Of Course but in reality most newbies don't find this site till they are growing pumpkins already...Get an AG seed any way you can and you'll never grow Big Max again...I have seen very generous people here that will send you the genetics you want but unfortunately some people still look at that gift horse's mouth and count their teeth...Take your time, give the growers the respect they deserve, pay some dues...listen...ask questions...learn and these guys and gals will help ya out all they can...I'll be here for years to come and still can't say thank you enough to all the people who tried to help me....Grow Em Big! Chuck

11/4/2004 4:28:01 PM

Deer Park, WI

Welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism my friend. Let the astute businessmen charge their money, its what America is about. Its up to the informed consumer-grower to find a way around this hurdle and develop long-lasting friendships with reputable growers that generously share seeds that can outgrow any $25 purchase.

11/4/2004 4:32:45 PM

The Real World

I'm sure no one here is talkin about giving some newb a world class seed. Those type seeds are reserved for trading or giving to a few close friends. But what it really comes down to is this: There's two type of people in this world; GIVERS and TAKERS...and in my humble opinion, most AG growers are very generous, down to earth folks. Of course there's a few opportunists in this hobby, but I believe that they are the exception NOT the rule. Maybe YOU'RE one of the exceptions.

11/4/2004 4:33:46 PM

Ohio

Yanno whats B.S. its when your fingers slip through the tolit paper,now thats B.S.
Its even B.S. That i have to buy tolit paper!! why aint that free too?

If you dont want to buy seeds,Just dont Do it! Grow the Free seeds, Plain and simple, right?

11/4/2004 4:36:16 PM

The Real World

Well said Baseball7.

11/4/2004 4:40:09 PM

I'm with Gordon... GO UTES!

Speaking of Niagra... what exactly is the seed exchange like
there? I assume there is some sort of seed market as part of
the activities.

Reason I ask is, being from Idaho, this is absolutely crazy,
but I'm thinking of my wife and I hopping a flight and going
out there for the weekend. Well, it's a long shot but we're
thinking about it.

11/4/2004 4:42:02 PM

New England

Careful there Sly one...don't Chit yerself.

11/4/2004 4:48:34 PM

New England

Like Mr.F'nGenius said above; Big pumpkins or small: GROW FREE OR DIE!

11/4/2004 4:51:46 PM

I'm with Gordon... GO UTES!

As for seeds, all mine are free if you send me an SASBP.
The only real "desirable" stock I have this year is a
468 Warren (1005 Mombert X Self). The plant was extremely
aggressive, which might be good for new growers.

If you have seeds to send my way, do so in the SASBP. If not,
no big deal. I'll send you some either way. If interested,
send me an email to check availability.

11/4/2004 4:52:08 PM

Massachusetts

Cliffwarren has shown the right spirit is not dead!

11/4/2004 4:55:27 PM

Ohio

lol

11/4/2004 5:06:27 PM

Cologne / Germany

Pretty difficult to follow the discussion at that point. Let me give you an example: Bill Bobier has a lot of his first class seeds to be sold at P&P. 2 months ago the 996 Bobier (846 Calais x 845 Bobier) was for $15. A seed showing pretty good potential in 2004. The 838 Bobier (same cross as 845) is still there for $25 - performed excellent in Europe this year. Not easy to get seeds like that if you´re new to this hobby without anything to trade.
Does Howard Dill ask how much experience you have (like AGGC) before he sells some $8 premium seed to you? Of course not. The rest is up to you, and even a newbee with good soil understanding the basics from reading and talking and making friends here has a good point to start. Think about playing golf instead and look for some top equipment in the range between $8 - $25...muhahaha.

Growers from outside US / Canada will probably not have the chance to get to know any of you fellow growers apart from BP.com, email and bubble packs. Sad but true. Travelling overseas is still expensive.

I will offer my seeds as soon as they are dry for the cost of postage - 1236 Eaton x 1260 Weir and reverse. I believe exchanging the seeds we produce is the true spirit of our hobby. However I paid some bucks (no auction rates though) before I had parent seeds like that in my cigar box :)

Ingo

11/4/2004 8:02:33 PM

California Bay Area

nice screen name!

11/4/2004 11:40:44 PM

ENGLAND

Ingo
I have tried sending you Emails but not had any reply as yet, sent same Email twice. Can you please check and get back to me on [email protected]
Regards
Mike

11/5/2004 5:10:47 AM

Knopp, Germany

There are many growers that give world class seeds to newbies. I know for a fact that I have already given out over a dozen seeds, this fall alone, that have grown over 1000 pound fruit. The cost was a SASBP. I am not the only grower that does this.

One thing to think about, I gave those seeds to new growers that were polite and gracious, not loud mouthed and arguementive.

Something to think about.....

11/5/2004 5:20:14 AM

Atlanta, Georgia

Well said Owen!
I'm giving away all of my over 1000 producers that I don't intend to plant as long as I didn't promise the grower that I would grow them. It sure helps to have a few bucks for the shipping though when you send out so many like you do. Since I have to use german post it doesn't help if anyone sends me a sasbp so I ask for 3 bucks instead and actually lose money when I pay for the bp and postage but I don't mind a small loss to help someone out. I think you have access to american mail though...

Best regards to all here!
Michel

11/5/2004 5:37:25 AM

Cologne / Germany

Sorry Mike, I will check my account today, number of emails I received last time looked at bit low anyway. Maybe the darn spam filter again. Better to turn it off completely I guess, that stuff is poorly programmed most of the time.

Ingo

11/5/2004 7:28:09 AM

Itzetown City

Growing average pumpkins for the newcomers and line bred pumpkins for ....... And I stupid one thought they were just grown for weight. ROTFL-LMAO

11/5/2004 8:41:13 AM

New England

No SH*T SHERLOCK

11/5/2004 9:47:33 AM

New England

Re: my first message in this thread; lest I be misunderstood: only P&P charges up to $25 for seeds. Dill's Atlantic up to $8, Hollands offers an instructional video that comes with free seeds.

11/5/2004 11:40:22 AM

C N Y

just what we need, more angry new growers.
(i just threw that one in there to get you all going)lol.
if they charge for seeds, pay for seeds. don't YOU cry.
the seeds for sale, on these sites you guys are complaining about? they SELL those seeds to keep their companies up and running. so that THEY can be there to have weighoffs and pay YOU money for YOUR big pumpkins' success. AND they are, for the most part, unproven seeds as well, but they just might be from a heavy hitter, or have a specific cross that is hard to find, and to some that carries a lot of weight. including me.
do you guys also get up in the morning and go to the car dealership and DEMAND to get a Mercedes for the price of a Ford? it would not surprise me if you did.
there are beginners, intermediates, and heavy hitters...
oops! did i create a class system just then? poof! gone.
now, the goal of every AG grower is to
one day be a heavy hitter, but you cannot START there! right?
so, what the heck do you expect, 845 Bobiers for free?
Good-byyyeee!
every seed that is an AG that is ever planted has the POTENTIAL to be a top seed one day, so if a grower sends you seeds, for the price of POLITELY asking and sending an appropriate bubble pack, YOU stand the same chance as anyone else of growing a 1000-pound fruit, maybe for the
first time from that seed. i hope Joze from above doesn't mind too much if i use this quote to end this
speech o' mine:
"Its up to the informed consumer-grower to find a way around this hurdle and develop long-lasting friendships with reputable growers that generously share seeds that can outgrow any $25 purchase." says it all from here, too....
'pal2

11/5/2004 6:16:57 PM

Webster, NY

Well said, there are plenty of free seeds around for the price of a stamp. If you don't want to buy one, don't. If you do, go ahead, but buy only from reputable growers and sellers.

Dave

11/5/2004 6:42:55 PM

New England

PumpkinFOOL2, if you believe these seed-sellin' companies are all in it just to raise money for pumpkin weigh-offs and to give away prize money (and not to make a profit) then you're a naive IDIOT.

11/8/2004 9:47:29 AM

Wichita, KS

chill out dude.

11/8/2004 10:51:43 AM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

Yomomma how long have you been on this website? I have not seen one decent response from you. You seem like the kind that thrives from turning up the heat then when the pot gets burnt, giving it a big stir and complaining the soup is burnt. Maybe this website is not for you. If you read the submission rules you may not out right attack another poster as you have done.

11/8/2004 10:58:53 AM

southern MN

Took me a while but am I the only one to notice (other than yomommaspumkin when he stated "nice screen name", even though at the time I didn't know what he meant) that there is a "yomommaspunkin" from the northeast and a "yomommaspumkin" from CA. (One has an "n" and one is a "m". Just an observation.

Continue on with your thread about selling seeds.

My $.02 the seeds are only worth what someone will pay for them and there is alot of sleeper seeds that are being given away for free

11/8/2004 1:24:33 PM

New England

Linus, you've got to have thick skin in this world. I'm just saying what's on my mind...sorry if I don't candy-coat things enough for you.

11/8/2004 1:29:17 PM

Vancouver, White Rock, Canada

"Naive idiot?" Take it easy, everyone is entitled to their opinion around here, otherwise every thread posted would be one or two submissions long. But calling someone an idiot, makes you look like a real idiot yourself.

11/8/2004 1:32:05 PM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

No candy coat needed here its called "Respect". This hobby is all about respect and integrity. Once its lost it is very hard to earn back.

11/8/2004 1:38:07 PM

New England

Wango, I agree...seeds are only worth what you pay for them. And I'm sure that as more and more growers get into the hobby, there'll be more and sleeper seeds throwing big weights.

11/8/2004 1:39:28 PM

New England

My MAIN point is that it's cooler to TRADE seeds or GIVE seeds away than to SELL seeds. Thats all. Personally, I've NEVER said no to someone who's asked me for seeds.

11/8/2004 1:51:52 PM

New England

And by the way, you don't have to like me but as far as integrity goes I'm a straight shooter...my word is ALWAYS good. You can be an A-Hole and still have integrity.

11/8/2004 1:56:00 PM

Cameron,ontario Team Lunatic

Yomommaspunkin, why don't you identify yourself so I can make sure no seed of mine reaches you. As far as I've read on BP.com you have nothing nice to say to anyone. If you want seeds from experienced growers or even heavy hitters then you better start showing some respect to others on this site. If not than find yourself a different website to complain on.

Phil

11/8/2004 2:03:53 PM

North Ga

yomamma, get a grip dude!! If you want an A.G. seed or two I'll be glad to send you one! Just chill out a little!

11/8/2004 2:06:52 PM

[email protected]

Didn't we go down this road once before?

11/8/2004 2:11:23 PM

Atlanta, Georgia

Let's get fired up! It's winter for cryin' out loud... Time to put on the boxin' gloves again like every year.
LMFAO!!!!

11/8/2004 2:49:53 PM

New England

Whew! It's gettin hot in here.

11/8/2004 2:59:05 PM

Itzetown City

171 days left to planting day!!!!

11/8/2004 3:10:34 PM

Vancouver, White Rock, Canada

Yes, you can be an a-hole with integrity, but not with anyone's respect. Punk.

11/8/2004 3:49:10 PM

New England

That's cool with me Lawman. We can disrespect each other if thats how you like it. If you disrespect me without knowing me then why would I respect you?

11/8/2004 3:53:15 PM

Vancouver, White Rock, Canada

Sounds good.

11/8/2004 4:00:51 PM

North Ga

Heck with people! It's all about SEED respect!

11/8/2004 5:07:10 PM

The Real World

Words to heed! Respect for seed is cool indeed.

11/8/2004 5:22:15 PM

Garden State Pumpkins

Yikes!..Poor Dog...his other handle might be JJ...Oh Boy!
Gonna be a long Winter...Check your fuzzy catepillaers!

11/8/2004 5:53:45 PM

Puyallup, WA

What is there about this sight that causes average "Joe Blow" pumpkin growers to "morph" into flesh-eating maniacs?
Last year, it was Johnny-Johnny. This year....

11/8/2004 6:14:47 PM

C N Y

yeah, well, i'd like not to sink to a lower level by saying so, but if you ARE "your momma's pumkpin"--yes, i spelled it out like that for a reason--then she must have raised one ROTTEN fruit, as can be read about throughout this entire page of posts. i thought about it for a minute and decided i am not a "naive idiot", lol! i never said that the companies that CAN sell the seeds do not turn a profit by doing so, nor that the seeds are the ONLY things they sell. don't tell us that if you had a chance to make twice as much money off of selling something simply by changing the price of it that you wouldn't----you would be a FOOOOL to take anything less than what the general public would pay for it.
if an organization has the OK from Howard Dill to sell
Atlantic Giant seeds, they can sell them for whatever they want,and if they charged too much they wouldn't sell ANY of them. supply, demand, whatever. price! there is far too much to work with in the above replies to sum it all up neatly, so i'll just say this: you are like a somewhat annoying TV channel that we'd like to skip over, but cannot figure out how to go about it...and ya know what, as much as i am gonna hate to say it, once in a while, there may be something GOOD on that channel, and i'd like to think we can all see that someday. the sooner the better, for your sake. i'm all mellow now, how 'bout you? ha ha ha pumpkinPAL2, dammit. lol.

11/8/2004 7:25:07 PM

Garden

Now you done gone and made Pumpkinpal angry.
Please dont make him curse anymore. You dont wanna see CrazyEric come out!

11/8/2004 7:40:57 PM

C N Y

LOL! yeah, i shouldn't have said the "d" word---i was trying to emphasize the "PAL2" part of my handle. i had visions of an email from Ken saying i was terminated from the site or something, which would make me upset, because then i wouldn't be able to attend the seed auctions---YIKES!
"CrazyEric", lol!

11/8/2004 7:55:16 PM

C N Y

ahhh, nice n' quiet....i can hear my seeds dryin'.....zzzzzz

11/9/2004 2:55:44 AM

New England

Ok pumpkinpal2, in deference to you, I must admit that I'm just an obnoxious muck-raker. But you gotta admit that my sharp-tongued .02's-worth DOES actually bring a modicum of entertainment value to these message boards. Someday when I'm gone and, to paraphrase Richard Nixon; "You don't have Yomommaspunkin to kick around anymore" this is going to be a much less-lively place. Admit it, I'm a guy you love to hate.

11/9/2004 9:42:09 AM

New England

PS: Though most of you think I'm a Jerk...and perhaps so with some degree of accurate character assessment...I actually AM a pretty successful grower, and WHEN I grow that 1000 pounder...the seeds will be free to all. (Though I'll probably have to offer them under an alias in order for anyone to want them.) It ain't easy being me.

11/9/2004 9:57:16 AM

[email protected]

Who is me?

11/9/2004 11:06:01 AM

New England

Oh...I have so many names....being a split poison-ality. I might just be the alter ego of one you love.

11/9/2004 11:29:32 AM

Knopp, Germany

yomom....

hear ya, wouldn't wanna be ya....poor dog.

11/9/2004 12:03:56 PM

Minnesota([email protected])

Maybe we all have a little bit of yomommaspunkin in us, that we try to keep hidden; and seeing yomammaspunkin post here, reminds us of him in us, so we attack him, to get him out of our minds.
Or maybe we insult yomommaspunkin, so we can feel superior to him. Without him, we may have loose our self-esteem. This is getting deep. Maybe you better stick around yomammaspunkin:-)

Doug

11/9/2004 4:56:56 PM

New England

Underneath it all, maybe I'm the one with the self-esteem issues. Anyway, I know none of you guys have to accept my apology but I want to offer it anyway because I was wrong.

11/9/2004 5:26:06 PM

[email protected]

Welcome Yomama.

11/9/2004 5:44:55 PM

Cameron,ontario Team Lunatic

Everybody gets a second chance. Don't blow it.

Phil

11/9/2004 7:08:00 PM

Ontario, Canada.

Yomommaspunkin OK, well then. Lets all move on. Thats better now, eh.

11/9/2004 7:38:44 PM

North Ga

awww c'mon now. That one barely got going good and the flame was extinguished. Pretty smooth yomo! LOL

11/9/2004 8:24:59 PM

C N Y

y...y ...eahhh, okay.
the sun has to come out sometime.
"poison-ality"--i like it!
and "Punkin Doghouse", lol!
i would have said "like to NOT like",
but that's over now, and apology accepted,
by somebody that perhaps never should,
but always seems to, reconsider. (violins)(harps) lol. eric

11/10/2004 2:24:40 AM

New England

Pappy, as much as Yomomma likes to make for "lively" discourse & dialogue...I figure I better just give it a rest for a while. It's gonna be a long, cold winter...so I better use the HEAT wisely.

11/10/2004 9:38:21 AM

C N Y

interesting---all the yomommaspunkin locations are
just "doghouse" now......hmmmmm........yah, well.

11/12/2004 2:06:03 AM

New England

"Yah well".....what? Yomomma never stays in one location too long....Punkin Doghouse, Doghouse, Outhouse, Courthouse, Statehouse, hell maybe even THE WHITE HOUSE! Actually I was thinkin' of changin' my name too. Maybe a twist on the old Prince routine.... change it to something like "The Instigator Formerly Known as Yomommaspunkin" but it wouldn't fit.

11/12/2004 9:02:34 AM

The Real World

Yomomma, there must be something in water where your from.

11/12/2004 10:13:19 AM

New England

Mr. "Genius", I would normally have a fitting reply for that type of comment but since I've had my wings clipped as of late I have no comment.

11/12/2004 10:35:22 AM

C N Y

just initialize---"TIFKAY"---and we'll know who it is!
it was JUST somethin' i NOticed and that's all...
bath house, BIGhouse, lol! well, i hope you never go there, lol! althought there had been talk of pumpkin seeds for inmates, but we all shot it down, thank goodness.....ekg

11/12/2004 1:38:09 PM

New England

Lol! TIFKAY...that's pretty good. Nope, never been to the Big House (or a bath house either I should add)....I can be a jerk but I'm no criminal.

11/12/2004 2:44:36 PM

C N Y

jeez, this is my second home now!
so,i'll bid you adeau, or adieu,
or however that is spelt, and
i'm sure we won't be far from here,
or insanity!==-=-==-with the inevitable (lol),.......eric

11/12/2004 7:22:16 PM