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Sydney, Australia

Ruled a squash, but is it true green? Awesome fruit be it pumpkin or squash, congratulations to Shannon!!!

10/3/2004 4:45:15 AM

Colo.Spgs.CO. Pikes Peak Chapter @ [email protected]

What was this awsome green giant grown from ?? And what is it's cross that maybe will be the road to even a larger greenie..lol...Congratulations on the big one...

10/3/2004 4:59:26 AM

Long Island,New York

Rumor has it it was a 26% greenie which means pumpkin....but it will be investigated further. In any case its an awesome acomplishment....1145 is HUGE....G

10/3/2004 6:42:10 AM

Ohio

go go big Raggu
I think Steve is the man so far

Nic Welty

10/3/2004 9:07:42 AM

Michigan

Congrats way to go Shannon !!!!

10/3/2004 9:48:44 AM

[email protected]

Remember, squmpkins are not eligible for green jacket. GPC rules are one, green jacket was created, designed, and for the "TRUE" green fruits we know as squash, not those 74/26 % things the GPC steering committee has failed to label correctly. It is the offseason, and it seems every year we have failures to carry this point through to the steering committee, how do we , as Larry the Cable guy would say, "Get Er Done"?

I truely say "Bravo Bravo" to anyone who grew huge fruits that turned green, but they are magnificent pumpkins that went green, not squash. Green jacket means 100 percent green.

10/3/2004 10:13:39 AM

Warwood

I totally agree with Rocky on the Green Jacket award. and for the GPC Squmpkin myth, I think the GPC people look absurd getting out their little grids because some jealous person is afraid that a Squash will beat their big orange orb LOL LOL LOL Congratulations Shannon, very nice pumpkin. Don

10/3/2004 11:43:40 AM

[email protected]

When the Jacket was announced in Niagara, I recall there being a reasonable color expectation for the Squash requirement. Squmpkins need not apply if my memory serves.

Thus the problem with the existing color rule. Shannon gets it coming & going on this one.

10/3/2004 12:23:42 PM

Key West, FL

nooooooooooooooooo shannon summers got screwed! it was a pumpkin!

10/3/2004 1:25:26 PM

Key West, FL

well I guess kind of a squamkin :P

The backside was a nice orange color.

10/3/2004 1:54:14 PM

In the shade - PDX, OR

Shannon did a Hell of a job on his fruit.

I think that this was off of his own 975 from last year.

10/3/2004 2:11:52 PM

Puyallup, WA

Although I was not there...even if I was, I could not have determined it's color as I have a red-green color defect with my vision! We had three non-grower judges. They all agreed that it was green...hence, a squash!

10/4/2004 12:25:50 AM

mcminnville oregon

now I know why you always grow the mamath white ones STAN. Didnt you say eyeballs were your profession too!!! HHHMMMM. (All IN FUN STAN) Im glad their wasnnt any green contreversy at CANBY.. aaall green! Mike Golats was truely the greenest using the 552sherwood! Mine loooooked good and proud but only obtained 5th place at 729 474.5 x 895.5 .. //// So if im hearing the forum correctly??? the 1000lb greennnnie hasnnnt been meet! Im not sure why , but this makes me extremely happy! DBH

10/4/2004 2:14:06 AM

mcminnville oregon

MIKES:Wallet was bulging when he left saturday! His huge Pumpkin was also onne of the best looking??? I think he was also 2nnd w/field pumpkin! way to go!

10/4/2004 2:21:30 AM

Sequim, WA

Shannons pumpkin was unfortunately rather heavily cantalouped. I have to admit I was suprised it was placed in the squash category and on learning that, thought that Erick's might fall into it too due to the amount of green it was showing. I know he was very disappointed and hadn't even given it consideration when he chose to bring it to the weighoff. I expect the color issue will rage on again this winter to no satisfactory resolution. But at least with our club it is an equal opportunity butt biter. Shannon got bit this year, last year it was Joel Holland. I know Kirk Mombert has had a big one ruled a squash in the past as I have myself with a little one. This ruling hurt and helped me personally, as it allowed my pumpkin to place 10th, but bumped my squash down to 4th. Shannon, having the heaviest fruit at the contest other than Kirks EXH pumpkin went from winning $2000 for first place pumpkin, to $100 for first place squash. Even when you don't do this for the money, that hurts. I think the only equitable solution is to improve the prize money for the squash. Clubs have been very successful in fund raising and I think this is something they should be looking at since many of them contibute to the weighoff purse from club funds. It would encourage members to grow green, and take some of the sting out of it for those who didn't intend to, but still has a massive fruit fall into that category.

10/4/2004 3:23:53 PM

Snoqualmie, Wash.

I was also surprised by the rulling, but was pleased at the sportsman like manner which Shannon showed . He is a top-notch grower and one hell of a nice guy. Jerri

10/5/2004 1:02:46 AM

Sequim, WA

Your right Jerri, Shannon handled it with class and dignity. But you know it had to hurt. He will be a force to contend with at future events. He can grow them big, now he just needs to color gods to smile on him.

10/5/2004 2:42:59 PM

Wichita, KS

At first I thought that I should wait two more weeks for this posting, but I'll bring it up with more detail just after Halloween.

IMHO... which is actually getting less humble... What happeed to Shannon doesn't need to happen. A three category, prize weigh-off is a very effective way to eliminate this kind of debate, make almost everybody happy, (including weigh-off vendors and donors) and encourage more intentional breeding of AGs.

3 categories:
1. True Green Pumpkins (emphasis on pumpkins...)
2. True Orange Pumpkins
3. Unlimited competition

Hort list subscribers already know about my idea, which isn't new, and isn't originally mine, but there are details that I will post when the winter season is in full swing. Seems like a fine time to debate and throw opinion around.

Sorry you got it coming and going, Shannon. I'm glad you took it in stride; it is a testament to your character. Also, congratulations on your excellent fruit! :-D

10/5/2004 4:49:57 PM

Indiana

Ok Shouldn't the growers decide what the color rules should be! This would be toe correct forum to take a serious vote on the issue. Maybe Bp could host the vote. and maybe the gpc, whoever they are, could listen!

Steve

10/5/2004 8:45:45 PM

Olympia, WA

I hadn't read this post until now (November). I just wanted to say thank you to everyone for your kind words. Yes, it was a pumpkin. But, rules are rules, and I got bit. I'm very happy with the pumpkin and will be working to get these archaic, subjective rules changed.
Shannon

11/5/2004 11:54:02 PM