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Mineral Virginia

I have searched the archive and come up with many threads, but no clear answer:

What causes Stump Rot? I just lost my 4th plant to it. Granted, the weather here has been attrocious, and the temps NOT above 90, but 4 plants, in 3 different hills, more than 25 feet apart. All started in the same general compost make up. I tried heavy doses of Captan, No good.

I want to start some more, even though its getting late, but don't want to loose them all to it.

thanks.

Scott

6/17/2004 2:38:30 PM

If by "attrocious weather" you mean RAIN, then that alone paired with a moisture holding soil could cause the rot. Other than that, have you been burying your vines? Lots of people opt to keep the stump area uncovered, even if their mains are buried, for the purpose of avoiding rot and spotting any problems before they become catastrophic.

6/17/2004 3:09:56 PM

Mineral Virginia

Thanks Brigette. Yes TONS of rain, humid, not real stable temps. My stumps were uncovered, but they rotted from the bottom, close to thr ground.

6/17/2004 4:43:38 PM

Mineral Virginia

Now, who is "Sara Gora" or maybe the email "[email protected]" rings a bell? I've been a participate here for several years now. Personal issues have kept me away, this is the first post I make in a long time and the msg they send me is

"I hopes all your plants ROT ROT ROT till you aint got no plants no more funny dad ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha aint so funny no more is it"

Others can vouch for me, as can my posts that I have never attacked anyone. Where has this board membership gone to?


sadly,

Scott

6/17/2004 4:47:11 PM

Wichita, KS

That's pretty odd. I've never heard of that person, and the charachter she seems to display is very unusual for this site. I would just write it off, funnydad. there are malicious people in cyberspace, and the person who sent the message may have even hijacked the email address. Who knows.

Personally, I'm hoping you are still able to get a plant going so you'll have some fun during the harvest season.

Best wishes,

Toby

6/17/2004 5:11:50 PM

Ga.

Thats because he hides behind a screen cause his mother and father care not about their ignorant little son playing games..I know who he is,,and he knows I do...His day is coming.Guess he doesnt reliaze his IP address is on every thing he sends out...Ah how stupid can you be..Go haggle someone in the mountains..

6/17/2004 6:03:35 PM

Brillion Wisconsin

Did you dig a pit and back fill it with compost, rich soil, manure etc.? If so this may be the cause of the rot. If your patch is in low wet area you might want to try mounding up the soil a foot or two. Plant your pumpkin in the mound and see if this cures the rotting of the "stump" (crown) problem.

I kind of like the term trunk for the stump(crown) section of the plant. You know the big thick part that sticks out of the ground like a tree trunk.

As far as the email goes I would just forget about it. Most of the people here are good growers or good gardeners who just try to help out other pumpkin addicts. The line is catchy though, It could be a hit song.

6/17/2004 6:04:23 PM

Cologne / Germany

This is not about stump rot, but if you receive such emails and somebody seams to know about your correspondence or other activities from your PC, be careful, there could be a worm or trojan on your system.
When I last checked I had 7! Internet is pretty dangerous at the moment, your system can be infected without emails or downloads, just when you surf. If you want to have a free check and virus detection, I recommend
http://www.free-av.com/index.htm
Go to download and install the new version from today. They had 2 or 3 updates last week so just as an indication what´s going on at the moment.

6/17/2004 6:23:41 PM

In the shade - PDX, OR

I would say that the rot is due to:

1) excessively wet conditions = lots of rain

and more importantly

2) Poorly draining soil

6/17/2004 6:57:05 PM

Liverpool , England

Scott,
That sounds a lot like the infamous JJ (Johnny Johnny)....who is unable to post on here anymore. Has a habit of trying to wind people up.The email addy starts with JJ. I've had emails from him under various guises.

Alun

6/17/2004 8:54:37 PM

Pulaski Tn [email protected]

dont let tremor read this..if he hears about someone calling it a stump he has a cow..haha...
i know how you feel scott..i have lost 3 of my 6 plants to the same thing..only we didnt have any rain and i didnt do any extra watering...
hey jeff..tell us who he is...so we can banish him from the site...i dont think i have ever heard of anyone getting a email like that..i had my share of emails just because i think i have pissed of everyone on this site at one time or another..
you can always do what i had to do...beg for some started plants and have them shipped overnight..(thanks,again jeff !!!!!)

6/17/2004 8:55:04 PM

[email protected]

Oh I'm having a cow alright. But not because of nomenclature. LOL Rather because some moron has to give Scott a hard time.

Ignore them Scott. People who hide like cowards behind false names aren't worth the bother.

Some things to consider regarding fungicides:

Captan won't "cure" a disease. Only prevent. So if the rot causing soil pathogen got a foot hold before treatment began, Captan won't work.

Since the most common "seedling to young plant stump rotting diseases" are Pythium or Phytophthora, then one of the several fungicides specific to these diseases must be used.

Rhizoctonia sp can also (rarely) attack young cucurbits. A Pathological screen is the only way to be certain. Rhizoctonia is controlled only by other types of fungicides.

Pythium/Phyophthora Fungicides:

Aliette or Prodigy (the only true systemics in the world) would make a logical choice. (University tirals find aluminum-tris either best or second best in most bench trials)

Banol might work even better according to some sources.

Truban or Banrot are second stringers but worth while if it's all you can find.

Subdue (Maxx liquid or the Granular) are better to prevent than cure, but I'd use either if given no other choice.

Terrazole, etc. I need to run. There are many more options for controlling these disease with fungicides on ornamentals than pumpkins. So we need to think outside the box for chemcial control strategies. Check out these links.

http://vegetablemdonline.ppath.cornell.edu/factsheets/Cucurbit_Phytoph2.htm

http://www.colostate.edu/Depts/CoopExt/Adams/gh/pdf/pestposse1003.pdf

http://www.rce.rutgers.edu/pubs/greenhouseipmnotes/2000/ghipmnotes10-09.pdf

http://www.ent.uga.edu/pmh/Horticultural_Crops/Woody_Ornamentals/Ornamentals_Disease_Control-B.htm

6/17/2004 9:52:30 PM

Atlanta, Georgia

I think it was on Nic Welty's website where he recommended complete protection from sun and rain to the stump area in order to keep it cool and dry. I'm trying it this year although I've never had any problems with stump rot yet.
I'll have a 2 foot by 2 foot cover over the stump.
Michel

6/18/2004 3:13:15 AM

[email protected]

Additional I would add any amendment possible such as sand, pea gravel, calcined clay, organic matter, etc to increase drainage. Mound the area sharply. Add benefiecial bacteria like Trichoderma, B. subtilis, etc.

If problems continue: Solarization, Basamid, or lay fallow for 2-3 years.

6/18/2004 5:30:19 AM