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Northeast

If you bought a seed at auction would it be fair to sell it if you never planted it?

3/21/2004 2:15:25 PM

Waquoit Mass

how can you sell a giant atlantic seed its illegal

3/21/2004 3:23:12 PM

Nj

if you grew it yourself it isn't as long as you don't call them atlantic giant pumpkins.

3/21/2004 3:54:02 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

Now that you ask that, people will always wonder if you're a seller. You should have just made your decision quietly.

3/21/2004 5:52:58 PM

Indiana

I think everyone is misunderstanding Dr. Dave here....I think he is asking if its ok to sell a seed he purchased for the same or lesser price? Looking for opinions?

Tom

3/21/2004 6:03:23 PM

Waquoit Mass

if you have permission from the dills your ok

3/21/2004 6:24:12 PM

Md/ Usa

wait till after 5/30/04 and you can sell all seeds you
want and you can call it atlantic giant.

3/21/2004 6:37:19 PM

northern indiana

Sorry to burst your bubble Bb7551 but you may get away with selling the seed if you dont use the Dill name, BUT it is still illegal. For the simple reason that you would have used the Dill genetics to grow it. The pvp is on the genetics. Not just the Dill name. That is why so many companies that produce pvp protected seeds insert a genetic marker that will identify rip offs of their genetics. A farmer that buys pvp protected seeds has to pay each year he wants to plant that seed. Even if he grows the seeds himself in subsequent years from the protected seed.
Eric

3/21/2004 7:28:22 PM

[email protected]

Other people have done this immediately following an auction. Some have offered to sell parts of a lot even before the auction is over (I hate when that happens! grrrrrr) by jumping into the fray with an offer to move into a different chat area.

I'm not suggesting this is either right or wrong. Just an observation I have made during & following authorized auctions.

I have no opinion on the matter whatsoever since if I wanted a seed enough to purchase it at auction, I wouldn't be trying to sell it later.

3/21/2004 9:20:24 PM

Waquoit Mass

i guess it all depends how much class you have

3/22/2004 10:28:46 AM

South Hill, Virginia

I've wondered about this myself (and, no I'm not selling seeds etc etc). If a seed is purchased legally then why can't it be resold? For example (and I'm not accusing anyone of anything), Don Langevin sells seeds in displays as a wholesaler that are intended to be resold. He sells with permission then once you buy them you can do whatever you want with them. Seems pretty simple to me. Perfectly fine, dandy and legal.

But if you are still feeling guilty about it I suggest you just give it to me.

3/22/2004 4:03:56 PM

Nj

Matfox-why that date, is that when the patent is up?

Hapdad, I thought any seed produced by you were your property? "A farmer that buys pvp protected seeds has to pay each year he wants to plant that seed. Even if he grows the seeds himself in subsequent years from the protected seed" Wouldn't that mean that everybody here has to pay to grow giants?

John

3/22/2004 4:32:40 PM

Waquoit Mass

don has permission from the dills

3/22/2004 7:23:26 PM

Deer Park WA

Pay Pay Pay, If I were a betting man I would say that next year if a fellow grower has a "Hot Seed" and you the grower wanted one you will pay the asking price, or go with out, unless you have a trade to barter. With all the money I waste on growing a few plants every year I personally dont mind (and have)invested a "Nominal" amount of Green for my desired genetics.....

3/22/2004 10:56:08 PM

Md/ Usa

Bb7551 yes thatis when the pvp is ends 5/30/04.

3/23/2004 11:12:52 AM

northern indiana

Actually that is accurate John. Otherwise why would a company spend millions of dollars developing a new strain of seed only to have everyone that buys them simply produce thier own the following year and not buy from them? As has been stated before the PVP was actually designed to protect companies from loosing money in just such a way. This helps keep development of more productive and better seeds going.
In answer to the orginal question I would imagine that if you could prove that you bought it you might well be able to sell it and not be in any trouble. The point I was making is that if you try to sell the ones you got from your Atlantic Giant pumpkin last year you would be unless you had permission from the Dill family. Of course this will all be a moot point later this spring.
Eric

3/23/2004 4:40:47 PM

C N Y

i think seeds from an auction should be stamped right on the seeds themselves with an official stamp to indicate their authenticity, just for fun. no comments necessary.
just something i would like to see on seeds that supposedly came from genuine sources. i think it would be more to the heart of the matter if it would be right on the seeds themselves----ahhh, heck, the ink would smear and it would be like the stamp from a night club on the back of your wrist...never mind........hmmmm. i think Brent Ritchie
has this process down to a science..hmmmm, maybe it should
be incorporated into the seeds from auctions as well, thereby covering the other 35-50% of the seeds we deal with...okay, i gotta stop thinking out loud now...HTGWCGP3
here i come...now, what chapter am i up to....WHOOPS! 'pal2

3/23/2004 6:57:15 PM

Nj

matfox, after that date, we are free to sell seeds as we please? Where is this information located at?

Thank you
John

3/23/2004 7:09:54 PM

Springfield, IL 62703

I am a second year "newbie" to growing Giant Pumpkins, but have many years experence in the seed business (corn and soybean). A correction to a previous post - farmers can plant seed the following year from PVP protected seed, however they can not sell or use the seed for breeding purpose without permission from the owner of the PVP. This is why it is legal to plant the AG seed that you have grown, but not sell them. Seed farmers cannot plant the following year are GMO seed (Roundup Ready), these are purchased under a license from Monsanto. Looking forward to meeting many of you at Niagra.
Jim

3/23/2004 8:37:00 PM

Md/ Usa

Bb7551
http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/pvplist.pl

3/23/2004 10:55:47 PM

Nj

thaks matfox

3/23/2004 11:55:57 PM

South Hill, Virginia

I know Don has permission from the Dills....that is my point. He sells legally to others who in turn can resell legally. The people who buy seeds legally don't have to get their own permission to resell.

These auctions have permission to sell so why doesn't the permission carry over the same way?

Everybody is so touchy about this subject that's hard to carry on a civilized conversation about it. I'm not knocking Don Langevin, I think he is great. I own three of his four books and I'm sure I will own any new ones he puts out.

3/24/2004 10:18:15 PM

Waquoit Mass

its all about respect and the growers that made this what it is today some guys get it some never will what can you do ?

3/25/2004 10:49:02 AM

northern indiana

I stand corrected it seems. Sorry for putting out misinformation. The info I had came from a farmer. Not law books. Perhaps he was growing the monsanto seeds. He had indicated to me that you "weren't supposed to, but many people do" when i asked him if you could grow seeds produced from a protected seed.
Again sorry for spreading misinformation.
Eric

3/25/2004 5:58:31 PM