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Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

We had a good thread going on about this last fall. Some Casey guy said the 783 Daletas was going to throw big and Orange. :) Plus a lot of other seeds were brought to the surface. As most of you know I like the Big and Orange. April dont care if they look like a rock as long as they are heavy. So let the list begin.....

10/17/2003 9:01:56 AM

Stouffville

My 490est grew the pumpkin pictured in my diary.

10/17/2003 9:45:22 AM

Itzetown City

My 321,5 uow ( growing on the 621welty02 -947patrick x 846calai ) was a nice orange one. Look in my diary.

10/17/2003 12:25:03 PM

[email protected]

736 Garrell '03. (801.5 Stelts x 876.5 Lloyd) Another 846 dupe. The fruit was stunning in color & shape & ran 5% heavy despite a very poor growing season here in CT.

10/17/2003 3:05:17 PM

Stouffville

hey tremor what did your 876.5 Lloyd plant grow? and was this a competitively grown plant or just used as a pollinator?

10/17/2003 3:26:21 PM

Arnprior, Ontario

Anyone have a picture of the 736 Garrell??

10/17/2003 5:37:36 PM

[email protected]

Sven, you have mail. There is also a picture of it in my Gallery which was taken at the Durham Fair. Real pretty fruit.

Jammer, I never grew the 876.5 Lloyd. David used it as the pollinator for his 736 which he grew on the 801 Stelts. He didn't weigh anything from the Lloyd as I recall.

10/17/2003 8:33:14 PM

Stouffville

sorry,


what did she measure, I know it's rather orange for a Lloyd
we should all have mail or at least mike nepereny

10/17/2003 8:45:27 PM

Stouffville

I'm gonna ask a few questions:
heavy disease...a virus or mildew...and why did this 801.5 just reach 736?:

genetics of particular seed
disease
late pollination
bad soil
small plant
insect eatery?

it's seriously a question that interests us all

since the 801.5 has gone over that magical (unit and number system based) 1000 lb mark

Mike

10/17/2003 9:05:59 PM

[email protected]

Mike,

I think we had sun on like 15 days all summer. Three sunny days in June. But worse was the 13 inches of rain in June, which is normally our driest month when we just get by on 3.8". David told me he only watered 3 times this year. I normally water at least that many times every week.

No other problems at all. Just some Powdery Mildew.

His soil is awesome (I tested it) & he doesn't fertilize at all.

I sent the 736 picture to Mike at AGGC & his email can't handle the file. Too big. I need to change the file size & resend it to him.

10/17/2003 9:17:43 PM

colorado

Jammerama, I think 736 is pretty good man...

10/17/2003 9:20:14 PM

Commack, NY

Mike, ive seen you ask this type of question more than once on the board, and ive decided to chime in. In most cases it is difficult, if not impossible to pinpoint any reason, or number or reasons a particular fruit did not reach 1000lbs, or more. Some fruit just aren't destined for it. However, that does not necessarily mean that it's a bad choice. Look at the 582 Hester as an example. You might ask, "well how come it was only 582lbs?". Look what it did last month, a 1458lbr.....so now i ask, does it really make a difference? We all just do the best we can given the circumstances and conditions we are dealt. A 736lb pumpkin is nothing to shake a stick at by any stretch of the imagination, especially given the weather the east coast was dealt this year. Would you want to know why the 801.5 stelts only reached 801.5lbs? Would that stop you from planting it if you found out that Dave did the best he could, and the seed just crapped out? What about the 723 Bobier? It was only 723lbs, but it sure has produced some whoppers. It is certainly nice to know something about the fruit, but its doubtful that anyone will be able to pinpoint a specific reason it didnt reach a particular weight. If you're having difficulty choosing what to plant, see what seed has produced pumpkins with the characteristics you desire, seek out that seed, and plant it.
Scott

10/17/2003 9:22:14 PM

Stouffville

i'm not criticizing anybody
sorry

10/17/2003 9:26:04 PM

Key West, FL

word

10/17/2003 9:27:25 PM

Key West, FL

word to scott i meant

10/17/2003 9:29:30 PM

Stouffville

it's just that some seeds are genetically capable of more than others

i mean the 801.5 seed that calai grew his 846 on was probably genetically inferior SIZE-WISE than the seed he grew his 1074 on.

I'm not saying that any grower is worse than some other one or whatever.
personally i think genetics is the key, beyond really good care and babying
i mean even if you have the best soil you won't end up with a 1000lber for sure if you plant a hungarian mammoth squash seed, right?

10/17/2003 9:31:20 PM

Stouffville

how should i ask my question without being offending to anyone?

10/17/2003 9:31:55 PM

Stouffville

well how come a 567.5 peaks at 945 or whatever but if you throw some 734 in her you get 1262? personally i think it genetics but why it occurs beats me

10/17/2003 9:33:36 PM

colorado

567.5, the experience of growers makes that essential difference in which they improve among the years

10/17/2003 9:37:05 PM

Stouffville

well why was brett's 582 his smallest fruit in a year when he grew two over 1000lbs?

10/17/2003 9:39:25 PM

colorado

I have know idea, might wanna ask the guru that.. I just don't know jammerama

10/17/2003 9:40:39 PM

Stouffville

maybe i should just ask whether a particular fruit was competitively grown or not... i mean for all i know the 736 Garrell could have been grown on 150ft^2

10/17/2003 9:42:58 PM

Commack, NY

Mike......Bretts 582 could have only reached that weight for any number of reasons, but does it really matter? If someone gave that to you, and you knew a ton of big pumpkins were grown from it, would you not grow it? I can certainly understand general curiosity, and no ones going to get on you for that, but in all honesty i dont think there is anyone on this board that can tell you with pinpoint accuracy the cause of a fruit not reaching a particular weight. There are SO MANY factors that come into play. Even if you received an answer, how would you know it was completely correct?
Scott

10/17/2003 9:45:56 PM

Stouffville

well i'm just wondering if there were any obvious reasons but, seriously, size genetics may go dormant for a year but then come out the next generation in a modified way or something...you know Mr.Calai's pollinator for the 846 grew some fruit under 400lbs...doesn't it intrigue you guys that the 846 grew a 1177.8 lber?

10/17/2003 9:52:14 PM

Stouffville

maybe it doesn't matter, but if you could plant a 846, 1074 or a 736 what would you chose? obviously whether the seed is proven or not is the biggest question but if it's grown this year one can only ask alternative questions so I ask them...don't hate me for that

10/17/2003 9:54:26 PM

Stouffville

I'm sorry i kill topics...lets post big orange fruit here and start a new one for the genetics debate

10/17/2003 9:58:55 PM

Key West, FL

I would choose 846

10/17/2003 10:00:27 PM

Stouffville

everyone would

10/17/2003 10:01:57 PM

Central Connecticut

I'm sure some great seeds have been grown and pollinated in COnnecticut...But the state record is 840#. No 1000 lbers have been grown in this state...YET. but up in New Hampshire they've grown many 1000 lbers is it the Technique, is the soil the latitude. What? many variables and few constants. Except for maybe the seeds...just a thought

10/17/2003 10:04:12 PM

Stouffville

the Papez 1020 grew a very orange/red ~500lber for me

10/17/2003 10:06:41 PM

colorado

846 calai, 1074, 801 stelts grow big orange ones

10/17/2003 10:22:12 PM

Stouffville

are there any seeds which have limited connection to the 567.5 that have grown big and orange?

10/17/2003 10:25:09 PM

Stouffville

the 845 bobier threw an orange one!! mombert 1024

10/17/2003 10:31:06 PM

Deer Park WA

Scott;

Of the genetic tumble, the seedling will only reap you the rewards of which it is sown in and tended for. Great post; See the off season doesn't have to be horrible!

Gerry......

10/17/2003 11:08:22 PM

colorado

Gerry, what did that 1262 of yours weigh.... it looked amazing....Steve

10/17/2003 11:16:28 PM

Menomonie, WI ([email protected])

Hey jammerama thanks for ruining my post with your garbage. How come you dont have a world record yet? Shannon

10/18/2003 12:44:23 AM

Ontario, Canada.

Shannon > LOL re: Jammerama.

10/18/2003 12:56:51 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

How come?
Why?
How come?
Why?
How come?
Reason?
I wanna know!
Why?
Who cares?!!?
Does it matter anyway?
Worry about what it makes, not what it weighs!

10/18/2003 4:30:54 AM

Roanoke Il

Mike asked some very good questions. Over the past 25 years of competive pumpkin growing if the questions were not asked I would highly dought if we would be enjoying such big pumpkins. If it weren't for growers like shannon they wouldn't be so prettyy :) mark

10/18/2003 6:07:14 AM

ontario

Shannon great post.........lots of great seeds out there......next hot ones 842 Eaton and 709.5 MacCallum...get them if you can....I hear the air is abit thin up in Stoufville.......:0)

10/18/2003 8:11:08 AM

Long Island,New York

The 723Bobier was an UOW fruit...must be something wrong with it...who would grow that?.........G

10/18/2003 8:18:25 AM

ontario

ok G.then give me yours :0)

10/18/2003 8:42:31 AM

Northeast

The 736 was grown to the best of my ability. It was bigger than any of the fruits on my two 845 Bobier plants. Does that make any sense? We had one of the worst growing summers I have ever seen, but alas Scott grew a 1000 lber in Long Island essentially the same conditions. I have no idea why it did what it did. There is no answer to this question that I can see.

10/18/2003 10:24:30 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

unknowns.....
894 Hampton
678 Lloyd
927 Kaye
719 Carter
1063 Hester
801 Beachy
419 Pukos

10/18/2003 12:55:15 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

cont....
1038 Emmons
1177 Kuhn
1034 Hester
648 Loewenthal

10/18/2003 12:58:36 PM

Streator ,Illinois

unknown seed --- 500 mitchell est. (99) ----
grew a 933 lb. exh. know one has ever planted it. it is a shymanski 825 x mettler 865 , was grown in 360 sq. ft. area, blocky pumpkin took the heat well, picture on the ipga.ws web page under huber farms weighoff
if you have that seed and don't want it i would gladly take it off your hands
Gene

10/18/2003 4:08:40 PM

Mastic Beach, New York

David ....Scott used alot of MILK..lol

10/18/2003 4:59:14 PM

Appalachian Mtns.

actually, I should have called "sleepers"

10/18/2003 5:40:40 PM

Commack, NY

Billy, how many times do i have to tell you it was chocolate milk! LMAO!

10/18/2003 5:59:54 PM

Paradise Mountain, New York

I looked up the 500 Mitchell because i have one on the AGGC and it shows no 933 that it grew

10/18/2003 6:38:24 PM

Streator ,Illinois

Pumpkinbrat
it has not been entered i just grew it this year, go to www.ipga.ws and it is there, i don't belong to the AGGC so i don't think you will find it there, and if you have the 500 mitchell est. 1999 seed and do not want it i can give it a good home for next year
Gene

10/18/2003 7:19:34 PM