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Stratford, Ontario

I have a feeling the answer to my question is going to be painfully obvious but i'm going to ask anyway: What does sibbed mean? I realize the suffix "____ and self" means that the plant has been polinated with its own flowers, however I have no idea what "sibbed" means. Insight greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Joe

11/13/2007 5:37:02 PM

Colorado

Joe,

If you take 2 seeds from the SAME pumpkin - we'll call them
seed A and seed B. You plant both seeds. You then take a
male from plant A and pollinate a female flower on plant
B. This is called sibbing or sibbed....LB

11/13/2007 5:45:08 PM

Stratford, Ontario

So basically its a selfed pollination one generation later?

11/13/2007 5:49:12 PM

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Joe
Not really, They are 2 seperate pumpkins and cross pollinated, therefor, sibbed: Selfed is male and female from the same plant

11/13/2007 5:58:19 PM

Owensboro, Ky.

Joe, if you plant two seeds, both from the 123 Joe '07...call them 123 Joe '07(A) and 123 Joe '07(B), and then pollinate the A with the B, or the B with the A, then that pkn is a sibbed pkn. Pollination from a separate but same seed stock, is sibbing. Hope this helps. Peace, Wayne

11/13/2007 6:07:56 PM

Windsor, Ontario, Canada

So, in the grand genetic picture, what are the differences genetically between a selfed and a sibbed seed?

11/13/2007 6:53:05 PM

Minnesota([email protected])

In a highly inbred line, such as maybe a hubbard squash, you'd likely have little to no genetic difference. But in AG's, different seeds from the same pumpkin can produce a spectum of differently colored, shaped, and sized pumpkins. Also different wall thicknesses. So I would think that sibbing would produce a little more variation in offspring, than selfing.

11/13/2007 7:41:59 PM

Stratford, Ontario

So therefore, sibbing would be used to reproduce prized seeds (to a certain degree) and/or produce more seeds with desirable genetic traits?

11/13/2007 9:08:50 PM

Minnesota([email protected])

That could be the stategy for sibbing Joe. If you self the right seed, you can get some very desireable traits. The trouble is, we don't know which seed out of a particular pumpkin is a good one to self. I think the 1402.5 Bosworth was a selfed seed, that may hold very good potential for size/weight.

11/13/2007 9:58:13 PM

Rhode Island

its a crap shoot. we would need to be experts in plant sciences to really know which is best.

i personally prefer sibbing only because you are hoping to get the best from both seeds ( because as mentioned earlier all seeds from the same pumpkin do not necessarily prodice the same shape or color.)

there are many growth additives that have been tried over the years. all the way from gout medication to various giberelic acids to other cell elongation mixes and potions

which in a way could explain how years later we get ribbon vines, sag lines, etc, which we did not have to deal with years back.

i truely believe that we need to continue crossing long,low,wide, over the chart pumpkins back into long,low,wide, over the chart pumpkins if we want to continue growing thick, bomb proof,offspring, that make it from start to finish.

pap

11/14/2007 4:27:18 PM

Wi

Sibb = sibbling. Sibbling is brother or sister....get it??? Sibb is just short for sibbling.

While sibbling and selfing may be ok for pumpkins it is definitely not ok with humans....he he.

11/14/2007 5:55:24 PM

Greensburg Pa

Question.

I crossed this year 1346 Pitura and 1229 Holland. The pumpkin reached 700lbs. I crossed the 1229 with the 1346 and that pumpkin reached 310-The stem split I goofed and did not have the styrofoam level. Both pumpkins were nice shape and color. I have pics posted.

I was going to cross in 2008 my 700 orange with one of the pale yellow orange fruit -the top pumpkins at the weigh off were all pale yellow orange.PGPGA wigh off.

Now since reading this post about sibbing would I be better to do that with my 700 and 310. I really would like to cont growing bigger. I like the orange color . Also I have limited space for only 3 plants.

So I want to get the most out of what I plant. As always thanks in advance for any imput.

One more thing since joined this site I am always amazed and impressed by the knowledge of the growers out there.

What makes even more it special is everyone is willing share there experence with evryone who asks.

Tim

11/17/2007 1:08:58 AM