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Eugene,OR

I put my germinated 1125 Frantz seed in a pot about 5 days ago and this evening starting digging with my finger to see if anything was happening because it had not broken the surface yet. To my surprise I hit roots first and then followed a 3.5 inch sprout to the bottom of the pot where the cots were trying to come out of the bottom of the pot. I know that I planted the germinated seed in the pot "right side up" but it had a long tail of a root that was curled upward. The seedling is toast. Has anyone else encountered this before?

4/26/2007 11:16:09 PM

Indiana

Russ,
I havent ever seen that, and I have started thousands of seeds.

Not suprised with a Frantz seed. Its trying to come out the other end. The apple doesnt fall far from the tree like they say.

Its orientation is messed up.....

4/26/2007 11:41:48 PM

[email protected]

LOL....Must be one of them there new fangled Chinese seeds.

4/27/2007 12:15:41 AM

Denver, CO

I had this happen last year with a seed, I never could figure out what happened. My guess was that the seed itself was mutated such that the embryo was not at the tip as it should be.

4/27/2007 8:45:21 PM

OK guys.... let me get out my Crop Phys notes and fill you in... I'm getting an A in the class so here we go...
Plant responses to directional stimulus are called tropisms. Gravitropism or geotropism is a tropic response to gravity. Roots are positively geotropic... they grow towards the gravity stimulation. Stems are negatively geotropic... they grow away from the gravity. How does it happen? Auxin. In root caps, there are speical cells called statocytes and contain organelles called statoliths. Statoliths literally fall to the bottom of the cell (towards gravity) and turn on auzin pumpkin that move auzin to that location. In roots, auxin inhibits cell elongation, so on the bottom side where the statoliths fall, there's more auxin and less elongation. So.... if the root isn't growing down, the top side elongates more, causing it to curve down. Voila. It's the opposite in shoots... auxin has the opposite effect and causes the shoots to grow away from gravity. Anywho... something is majorly wrong with those plants... they're responding backwards to auxin levels or something. Jeez hope I didn't confuse anyone.

4/27/2007 9:17:18 PM

wow Brig are you outta breath? (well done thanks for the real scoop!)

and Tom,,I tend to agree with you :-)

4/27/2007 9:30:19 PM

South Bloomfield, Ohio

Brig,

Good to see that education put to use.

4/27/2007 9:48:04 PM

Ohio

Russ, that is weird!! I bet 1 out of a million seeds would be lucky enoughto grow that way(if you call that lucky) Id go out and buy a lottery ticket Russ,LOL

Nice info Bridgitte!

Brooks

4/27/2007 9:52:15 PM

New Carlisle IN

Then germinating seeds in a ziploc bag on a flat surface confuses the root as to witch way to go? Hence **club root**
Terry

4/27/2007 10:35:31 PM

Oswego, New York

Brigitte you are full of bs no such thing. Been there school that is. So ha ha to you

4/27/2007 10:41:42 PM

Santa Rosa, CA.

Only Russ could grow a seed upside-down. Was it a blonde seed?

4/27/2007 10:50:13 PM

Ohio

Yanno snoop, you might be right on that, growers that know they have a club root do that kinda of germination, I just wonder how many have had a club root just planting a seed in a pot with dirt?

4/27/2007 10:52:55 PM

Long Island,New York

undergroundplants...cool...a neat new way to get twice as many plants in the patch.

4/28/2007 7:37:01 AM

Ohio

G, I thought maybe your season would be over by now,like something like to much rain made your patch into a Lake Erie that wont dry up till October, Or a giant worm that has constipation ate all your soil and left nothing but bed rock, yanno stuff like that. Ha!

4/28/2007 9:38:16 AM

porterville, calif.

So if it was going the wrong way why can,t you just turn the pot upside down cut a hole in the bottom let it grow ?
Brigitte you lost me after Ok Guys

4/28/2007 11:29:00 PM