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Warrior with ZEON Technology
active ingredient lambda-cyhalothrin 11.4%

Spectracide Triazicide
active ingredient lambda-cyhalothrin 0.5%

I was wanting to use the Triazicide to help control insects, I was wondering if the mixing recommendations on the bottle is what I need to be using to get the same effect as the Warrior, or should I make a stronger concentration? The Warrior is over 20 times more concentrated than the triazicide. Triazicide is supposed to make 128 gallons of sprayable solution for the 32oz bottle. Does 32oz of Warrior produce around 2500 gallons? The bottom line is that I would like to get the same effects as the Warrior without buying it (Warrior is restricted), so what concentration of Triazicide should I use to do this?

Thanks for the help, Justin

ps whats the diffenence between lambda-cyhalothrin and gamma-cyhalothrin?

4/9/2007 3:53:21 PM

Waquoit Mass

i noticed this also. i assume its the concentration. warrior was a resticted insecticide. maybe steve could chime in .

4/9/2007 6:05:27 PM

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Warrior is Lambda-cyhalothrin & Triazicide is Gamma-cyhalothin. Gamma-cyhalothrin is an isomer of Lambda-cyhalothrin.

I know...what's an isomer?

"Isomer" Definition: A chemical species with the same number and types of atoms as another chemical species, but possessing different properties. There are structural isomers, geometric isomers, optical isomers, and stereoisomers.

In other words, Syngenta was charging too much money for technical LC. Cheminova makes GC who sells it to Pytech Chemical who licenses it to Spectracide cheaper than original LC so that Spectracide can make more money. For all intents & purposes they are essentially the same thing: they are both second generation contact synthetic pyrethroid insecticdes.

Warrior Z is labeled for Cucumber Beetle adults @ 2.56-3.84 oz/acre.

Let's use both the low & high rates.

1 oz = 29.57 ml
2.56 oz = 75.7 ml per acre or 1.7 ml per 1000 sq ft.
3.84 oz = 113.5 ml per acre or 2.6 ml per 1000 sq ft.

Warrior is 22.8 times more concentrated than the version of Triazicide sited by Justin (.5%). Hence 22.8 times more material must be used.

1.7 ml times 22.8 = 38.76 ml or 1.31 oz per 1000 sq ft.
2.6 ml times 22.8 = 59.28 ml or 2.0 oz per 1000 sq ft.

But I went to Spectracide's website & checked the product listing. I found Spectracide® Triazicide® Once & Done!™ Insect Killer Concentrate which is only .25% Gamma-cyhalothin. This must be something new.

http://www.spectracide.com/ProductCategories/OutdoorInsecticide/TriazicideSoilTurfConcentrates/

That specimen label calls for .5 oz/1 gal per 300 sq ft. or 1.67 oz per 1000 sq ft. Legally this is the rate the end user must use despite the fact Warrior is 45 times stronger.

See this miserable label for the full vegetable instructions:

http://www.spectracide.com/NR/exeres/7EEDCF25-5B90-49E5-A7F7-4ABBAC30010F.htm

Clearly the Warrior label permits a higher active ingredient load than this

4/9/2007 10:53:03 PM

western Kentucky

Tremor,

The Triazicide that I've found is the once & done stuff which is the gamma stuff (.25%), and Trizicide for lawn and turf which is the lambda stuff (.5%) same stuff as the warrior... Thank you very much for the help.

justin

4/9/2007 11:43:53 PM

Ohio

Tremor, what about the zoozacides mixed with the bifocals-cides and methylated cambodia-cides? If you would accidentally get this on a open wound while spraying would this make your vision see blurry pink elephants and make you lose weigh? .......lol

Seriously though, thanks for that info, you just saved a bunch of people some money.

Brooks

4/10/2007 5:08:33 AM