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Joliet, IL

yesterday i weeded, pruned tertiaries, and a watered probably too heavy. seeing how warm and muggy it has been, i was trying to avoid too much water with misting and heavy rains to avoid early fungal or rot probablems. but once again the rains never came. so yesterday a gave them a good heavy soaking...which was dumb and compounded the problem.

i should have watered lightly each day in the mornings of the heat wave, maybe betweenan 1/8 to a quarter inch. this would have been more consistant for fast growing plants in hot conditions. i also should have kept up better on pruning and weeding, doing little bits at a time every day instead of waiting when i had more time on a weekend. so yesterday i pruned tertiaries, weeded, sprayed insecticides and daconil, and overwatered which led to 4 secondary blowouts on my early plant. the plant is well established with massive leaves and a thick vine that sits at 20'. the power surge i gave that plant from doing to much in one day just blew them 4 over and leaving another one with a decent size crack.

luckily for me these secondaries were about to get terminated in about 2 days anyways and it didn't affect my other 3 plants in anyways, maybe because they are not as established to this point and took the overload easier.

but until you see it happen, blowout cracked vine tips, you might forget about overdoing it in the patch on any one given day. especially as the plants get more roots, thicker vines and more established, it can spell disaster. its a sad site to see 4 nice secondaries cracked at the leaf junction where they all shot upwards last night.

6/12/2005 1:05:25 PM

Montoursville, PA

Brooks you may be right about the inconsistant water but when the shoot up like that it could also be, to heavy on the nitrates causing elongation, of cells without the time, to develop total body strength.

I've been there and done that..wondering what the heck could be going on.

6/12/2005 1:13:45 PM

Ohio

Shazz, what ya mean by secondary blow outs? The vine would crack at the end? You get time send me a pic Bro.

Brooks

6/12/2005 1:14:35 PM

Ohio

Doc, Im Brooks hes Shazz,lol

6/12/2005 1:15:39 PM

Joliet, IL

they are not real blow outs, that is just a term i have seen used to define the circumstance. they are just completely cracked off vines that have grown straight up over night and snapped off at there own doings without wind or human pressure. they were all staked down yesterday afternoon and this morning they were all split across the vine all the way through. first time all season i have seen this plant reach up instead of out, i mean sky high straight up. i haven't fertilized with even neptunes in over a week so it couldn't be from ferts. a picture right now would not do them justice because they just look like pruned secondaries after i cleaned them up. i will take a picture if i see the same circumstances shaz, i mean brooks, lol.

6/12/2005 2:52:02 PM

Montoursville, PA

Shazz...........sorry. Brooks was on my mind too. I forgot to mention viagra. That could do it. :) Remember that the native bacteria, to keep it simple, do in fact produce the food your plants pick up and use. They expand in number and activity with the temperature and moisture available.
.....when you put it in the soil is not always the day the biology goes to work and makes it available. An electrical storm can set off a growth spurt too.

6/12/2005 3:27:39 PM

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I've seen & heard vines that were staked down during the heat of the day while they were supple, later snap right off as cooler teperatures set in at sundown. Last summer a friends misting system caused the same effect.

6/12/2005 5:38:11 PM

Ohio

I have had that happen to me last year on my main vine of the 1178 Wentzell, I had it staked down at the vine tip and the next day it grew straight up to the sky and broke off,I was wondering why the @#$& that happen for? Now i know.

6/12/2005 9:30:33 PM

Ohio

Shazz, it started to happen to my 1260 Weir about 5 days ago,it under control now maybe because I havnt hit it with Neptunes for about a week,glad I got lazy on the fertz,Ill keep a eye out for this for now on.

Brooks

6/12/2005 9:33:35 PM

Olympia, Wa

yepppppppp!,
happened to me last nite...found it today
I thought that the wind had caught the side of the hoop-house and pushed the vine into a split!...
but come to think of it...2wks ago...patch got some good compost..and I have soaked the stump with some compost tea a couple times....no other ferts. though....
anyways...this is prolly what shot my first secondary on the 407. have had phenominal growth past couple days on both plants...probably 30+"s in only a couple days.
So am gonna cool it with the compost for a while and just go with str8 water!.
glad I read this post or else I would have thought that the wind had caught my vine (was almost against side of hoop so thats why I figured it was that)
see there.....LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERYDAY around here.....I tell ya!

6/12/2005 11:55:33 PM