From

Location

Message

Date Posted

Webster, NY

I was wondering, both the 845 Nesbitt and the 842 Eaton are the same cross (846 Calai X 723 Bobier)and both are known to be good producers of large fruit. Is one better then the other and how could you tell?
Thanks
Dave

12/18/2004 7:22:32 PM

Hilpoltstein, Bavaria, Germany

The 842, without doubt, is better for size and the 845 for color.

The 842 has produced 10/+ pumpkins over 1000lbs including the current WR. They are normally more white colored although there are also a few very nice orange ones.
The 845 has only one 1000 pounder grown from it but most offsprings are nice orange with very few exceptions.

Martin

12/18/2004 7:45:33 PM

Ontario, Canada.

The 845 has been around for awhile and produced a few good fruit but nothing like what Alan has done the past two years. Look for the 842 to be widely planted this spring. I like to refer to the average fruit weights in the AGGC as a general bench mark of overall performance. It really is a crap shoot though. There are too many factors that can affect a growing fruit and plant to say for sure if the 845 could be any better than a 842 in my patch or yours.

12/18/2004 7:49:25 PM

Garden State Pumpkins

Both were grown an awful lot and the 842 has the edge after crossing with getting Big pumpkins...money sez the cross is a good one but Toftness 707 has the same cross and not grown half as much and threw 1141...selfed...these two were probably grown 100 times each...Bart's ???...just MHO

12/18/2004 7:50:13 PM

Walton N.y.

and 707's are easier to get !although bart doesn't have many left

12/18/2004 8:45:21 PM

[email protected]

Al Eaton has never grown the 707.

12/18/2004 9:41:02 PM

Roanoke Il

Steves made a good point the 842 was grown big by the best grower in the world while the 845 and 707 have produced big pumpkins but not grown under the same conditons. to have a true test one would have to grow all 3 seeds under the same conditons I really don't think that one would out produce the other if all was equal...mark

12/19/2004 1:05:10 AM

Appalachian Mtns.

Ditto what those 2 said....apples to oranges.

12/19/2004 7:18:01 AM

Atlanta, Georgia

What are the chances that the two seeds are exactly equal genetically? I would say about a little less than zero percent. One must be superior but without controlled conditions we'll never know.

12/19/2004 7:54:39 AM

[email protected]

I'm uniquely qualified to state that all three are equally subject to my abuse. I've destroyed all 3 in the same patch.

The 842 colors up more like the 846.
The 707 colors more like the 723.
The 845 never even set a fruit here. LOL

No 2 seeds in the same fruit are entirely equal.

But they're all good.

12/19/2004 9:41:43 AM

Cornwall UK.(50N 5W)300ft.

Looking at the top ten aggc fruit of 845 & 842,50% of the 845 were best in that growers patch that year compared to 70% for the 842.

12/19/2004 10:14:48 AM

Webster, NY

Thanks for all the opinions guys. I have to admit that I was thinking along the same line as Tremor. No two seeds from the same fruit are exactly the same. I've got a lot of thinking to do this winter. Plus, I'me a bit late getting my manure in, so that will have to be done in the early spring. Have a great holiday everyone.

Dave

12/19/2004 1:00:29 PM

Walton N.y.

there are a lot of great crosses out there and i beleive that if it's ment to be a big pumpkin can come from any background IF everything falls into place i beleive don langevin said plant proven seed but how do you prove a seed plant it

12/19/2004 3:13:51 PM

C N Y

i'm still thinkin', Randy:
1140 X 1141 wahhh, hooo...
jus' like, 845 X 846....the Weir!
...still an option until seed-starting day!

12/21/2004 1:23:08 AM