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Im going to be starting a new patch and where I want to put it its part of my lawn. Is it ok to till this grass in or would i have to dig it up?

Is it to late to plant the rye grass?

Besides getting a soil test, can i get some suggestions on how you started your patch in a new area? I gotta do this pretty quick cause its suppose to snow on monday,lol

Brooks

11/2/2004 9:42:48 PM

Menomonie, WI (mail@gr8pumpkin.net)

Till it in its organic matter... You are going to have to fight it for awhile. To late for rye if snow is on monday

11/2/2004 10:24:26 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

I'm with Shannon. Till the turf under.

Focus on tilling in the chemical & organic amendments QUICKLY! Maple, Ash, Hickory leaves, grass clippings, manures, etc. Lime &/or NPK ferts as soil test results indicate.

Don't worry about the cover crop now.

11/2/2004 10:38:11 PM

Key West, FL

what about weeds? Till them in or weed whack and rake off?

11/3/2004 1:22:24 AM

Ohio

THANKS Linus and Tremor! I had a brain fart and decided at the last minute for a new place for my polinators.

Is perennial rye grass ok to use? Or is there no other type rye? Is this ok to use?

allaire II Perennial ryegrass 66.35
Pizzazz perennial ryegrass Pure seed 20.90% Germination90%
pearl II Per. ryegras 9.61%
Other crop seed 1.80
Inert matter 1.45
weed seed 0.09


Brooks

11/3/2004 8:12:44 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

No Perennial Ryegrass in the patch!!! You'll be fighting it forever if you don't resort to Roundup.

Thats a good mix for overseeding the lawn but not the patch.

11/3/2004 9:44:53 AM

London, Ohio

you can buy straight winter rye at most landmark feed stores
i buy mine in mechanicsburg but i dont know how close that is for you.
dan

11/3/2004 10:09:58 AM

Ohio

shoot!, I already put it down, now what??? Its been real cold so i dont think it will germinate, But what if it does? Should i use round up now? Dangggggggg it.
Brooks

11/5/2004 10:34:44 PM

Ohio

I asked my neighbor if that type rye grass was ok to put down and he said yes! He puts rye on his garden every fall, He must not have heard me right when I told him perennial rye. Dang that P.&* me off, All that work the last 5 days shreading maple leaves then tilling them in. Would it hurt for me to put round on up it now?, or what about if i till it one more time real good. The seeds are just on top of the ground. Its been below 50 degrees since i put it down, Maybe i will get lucky and it wont germinate, but it would in the spring wouldnt it? ,,, DANG I CANT BELIEVE I DID THAT. Help me STEVE,LOL
Brooks

11/5/2004 10:45:07 PM

Puyallup, WA

Winter rye is usually "annual rye", not perennial rye. Once it has germinated, you can kill it with Round-Up.

11/6/2004 12:30:08 AM

Ohio

Thanks stan

11/6/2004 4:34:38 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Roundup will work fine so don't worry about it. But Roundup will only work on Rye that germinated & is actively growing. Roundup cannot harm a seed. Indeed it helps seeds germinate. I've soaked Perennial Ryegrass in Roundup (4 hours @ 2%) & proven it germinates faster & at a higher percentage rate.

No problem. Just wait until spring tilling weather. The biggest pain will be those occasional seeds that didn't germinate between now & then. These will lead to occasional strands of Rye popping up in May & June.

11/6/2004 7:32:29 AM

Long Island,New York

Sly...place clear plastic over patch after a little watering.....heat will help some seeds germ then hit with roundup.

11/6/2004 8:28:38 AM

Ohio

Ill hit it with round up when the grass starts poping up,Im going to try the clear plastic, thanks, I Took my leaf blower out the next day and blew some of the Grass seeds back off the patch.

I Put the grass seed down 6 days ago and am not seeing any Grass growing Yet, Its probably to cold for it to grow now. Im sure i will see the grass in the spring.
Brooks

11/7/2004 6:39:59 PM

Garden State Pumpkins

Check this out with tremor but I always last seed my lawn before the first snow....It will germinate in spring...but if I tilled it all under when it first appeared it would die...and none of it would be mature enough to give off new seed...now if you hit it with round up first you should be even safer.

11/7/2004 8:20:53 PM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

The trouble is that some seeds will always remain near enough the surface to establish if it was just tilled. Roundup would kill any that germinated. I'm only concerned about the seeds that haven't germinated. Hopefully these will be minimal.

Glenn's plastic sheeting should help. It will force seeds to germinate by warming the soil earlier.

11/8/2004 5:16:13 AM

Follansbee, Wv

I don't know if this will help, but I read a post (in a diary I think) awhile back. I can't remember the author's name, but he used black plastic to cover the patch very early in the spring. The results appeared to be a weed/grass free soil. Anything that germinates under the black plastic should quickly die.

11/8/2004 7:46:25 AM