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Garden State Pumpkins

I know aerobic tea would work just wondering if there would be any benefit in my symbrew...or wait till application to add in.

7/5/2006 7:04:31 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Chuck,

I have no idea what "Rumen tea" is. However most of the CT users add bacterial or fungal inoculants just prior to spraying their tea.

Fungi (Mycorrhyzae) cannot reproduce in a brewer though it can grow for a little while. It just cannot produce spore in a solution.

Bacteria can reproduce in some solutions. But since they're already high in count as resting spores, they immediately wake up when hydrated.

ProMax is bacterial but I would still add it right before application.

7/5/2006 10:12:32 AM

Garden State Pumpkins

got the nomenclature from the symbrew worksheet..rumen fermentation is anaerobic. I'll stick with just adding it to the spray mix..Thanks Steve

7/5/2006 10:19:40 AM

ENGLAND

To be extremely brief. Rumen tea is basically a Tea made with an animal manure only content.

7/5/2006 2:43:15 PM

Montoursville, PA

Some folks are using bubblers in the Symbrew which if done well enough can move it into aerobic condition. Aerobic condition only holds up, for a short period, of time. Estimates of effective use of aerobic ranges from four to six hours. After that the brew will continue a progressive return, to anaerobic.

Tricky talk here but aerobic tea is full of living bacteria grown in numbers that are many times the counts found in the anaerobic state. The soil holds the oxygen to maintain the placed aerobic state for up to three or four weeks during which much biological improvement will take right off. Anaerobic will do this too but slower. The bacterial expansion has, to take place, in the soil, to improve the biological package, in the soil.

Fungal development can take place if the oxygen is high enough in the aerobic tea. Likewise it must be moved to the patches soil quickly or the increases will be lost.

The Biti Bobolator provides the proper amount, of air bubbles, in the proper size, to increase all living critters, bacteria and fungi. Go to North Country Organics and serf his site to find the amazing test results, to back up his claims.

While Dr. Ingram at one point suggested fish tank bubblers she is now saying the small fast rising bubbles will create the bacteria and fungi but is, to abrasive, to do the best job. Her testing labs have created the reports on several brewers that do the best job. If the makers, of any brewer or brews do not show testing results there is most likely a reason. They all talk the talk but they do not all do the best job, that walks the talk.

7/5/2006 2:45:48 PM

Montoursville, PA

MORE.........I have found the cost of aerobic tea to fall in the range of twenty cents a gallon. The one test I paid for showed my levels at a comparative level with the posted results, of the Biti Bobolator. By the very nature of the system of tea brewing all teas will vary in quality and effect from mix to mix.....unless one uses proven basic compost and boosters. My cost statement includes the use of all elements purchased to arrive at a high quality tea product.

I can produce good aerobic tea from local compost but the testing is, to pricy, to have known results. At twenty cents a gallon, of finished tea, the product cost is not the issue.

Today I use Symbrew (anaerobic) and Biti Bobolator tea (aerobivc) in rotation. The aerobic tea goes on in a three week cycle. The Symbrew is in there, for it to work, on when it arrives.

7/5/2006 2:56:11 PM

Midwest

Doc:

Do you have an opinion on biological packages often produced by labs? These biological packages provide bacteria, fungi, algae, enzymes, etc... in powder of liquid form. These are purely biological (organic). I'm not talking 'bout big fertilizer comps doing a generic biological product. I mean something like SP-1 from AgriEnergy Resources, Inc. (soil lab in IL.) which produces it's own ferts. I'm sure other labs do this also.
Thanks,
Greg

7/6/2006 1:28:26 PM

Montoursville, PA

Greg I went there. SP-1 will not come up on my computer. I will say this firm AgriEnergy Resources, Inc. are working in the bio fields as much and apparently as successfully as many, of the good ones.

What I often run into which I think you will find there is they do not sell less than gallons. The price may be fine, for large farming users but not for you and I that may use just a half ounce of humus per year.

I find similar offerings, in the catalog of Fertrell. Some if not all can be purchased through Matt, Pumpkin Supply.com listed on this pumpkin site. The Fertrell catalog is on line. They list their dealers. Shipping is very expensive so it pays to shop. I see lots, of guys proclaiming Matt's pricing fair. I live close, to the source so do not need to pay much shipping, purchasing local.

As, to the bacteria and fungi including living critters it is, in my opinion, best made, on site. Go to North Country Organics and read up on the Biti Bobolator Tea Brewer. The highest return for the bucks spent may be achieved by making aerobic tea using proven compost, bacteria booster and fungi booster. In the process you add your local fish, kelp and molasses. More important you are not paying to ship water. I feel this option is less expensive, all inclusive and also can provide all the basics including proven compost. Cost to produce is about twenty cents a gallon.

The system is not hard to learn.

If this proves to be to expensive the next best thing nearly as important if not equally important is Agro-K Symbrew made as presented and developed by Craig Lempke who talks a lot on this site. I use both but then you must understand that I work with this stuff and have done so for fifty years of gardening. We all learn as we do. I've had a few years of doing.

There is no single answer. You will find all soil builders are working with the same principles.

7/6/2006 2:31:12 PM

President - GPC

What a great post!

7/7/2006 9:10:40 AM

ENGLAND

I found time to search for the following information on Rumen. http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pathphys/digestion/herbivores/rumination.html

Just expands on my 'in a nut shell' post above.

7/7/2006 9:47:54 AM

Ctpumpkin@optonline.net

Dwaine said: "Shipping is very expensive so it pays to shop..."

Truer words were never spoken.

Freight is killing us. I get orders for small quantities of biological inoculant & I have to pass until we can fill a truck.

However when customers plan their orders in the winter we fill trucks with mixed pallets as well as whole pallets & get significant freight reductions.

Example:
UPS one (1) 12 lb box across town = $7.00
Common carrier ship 22 tons across country = $970.00

$.58/lb versus $.02/lb

Growers & clubs should get together, plan their seasonal usage & make bulk purchases in the winter months. This would permit growers to use inoculants more wisely (read often enough to be effective) without spending a fortune on shipping. Trichoderma is the only packaged inoculant with a short shelf life. But if you don't get it from a reputable source....Just make sure what you buy is production date stamped & keep it cool.

7/7/2006 11:24:24 AM